Bryn Hagan · Author · added over 9 years ago
Hey Matt, the editor only meant the intro with the 'C' word. She liked the rest Day 1 etc. Unfortunately for me her new job is with a publisher that focuses strongly on children's books, so is unable to help me further.
Matthew Isaac Sobin · Author · added over 9 years ago
Hey Bryn,

I like the new intro. But was the editor saying to scrap the section you have posted here as "Day 1"? I thought that the chapter was quite compelling, so that would be surprising advice to me. First two true paragraphs especially are excellent. I might begin with the "There is nothing worse than this..." line though, as one of the other readers suggested. Good luck!

-Matt

So I had a professional editor read my work and give their opinion, and I didn't pay for it.

The editor at the imprint my first 2 books were published (before it closed down of course) was willing to look at 'The bully book' and make some recommendations. They are as follows:

1. Cut out the intro. I came up with a shocking intro, simply to get everyone's attention, but I did wonder if it was too much. It went like this...

'Thirty years ago I became a cunt. Sorry for the bad language so early on, but it’s the most accurate way to describe what high school does to an innocent. Fuck, I never used to swear until beginning higher education. But don’t worry, I’m no longer a…. hmmm, let’s just call it a ‘C’. I’m no longer a C, at least I hope so, and I really don’t swear much at all these days, although it did take me a while – to stop the swearing and being a C. I guess that means this story has a happy ending.

Who would’ve guessed that in little old New Zealand being a C would become a good thing, well, as long there’s a ‘G’ in front of it. Being a ‘good cunt’ is a damned fine compliment in the land of the long white cloud. I was even brought to tears at my 40th when all the lads got together and called me the best GC around.

Enough about C’s and GC’s. I’ve a great story to tell, because I wrote it, and it’s very, very funny. It will sometimes make angry or sad, but you will reflect on what sort of person you were at high school, whether that be jock, nerd, or leader of the herd. You’ll also marvel at the miracle that I was able to put more than a few sentences together, let alone a book, after the ‘education’ I received. So please forgive me if I’m not grammatically perfect, or I flow from present to past – although the only person that worries about that  is the editor. Everyone loves my story.'

2. Keep it short and make it a series. She said that a book of around 40,000 words is a good size for teenagers and young adult. 

3. Do some market research. I work in schools, and have had great reviews from the students. But sadly, publishers don't care about great reviews from your target audience - oh dear, a bit of bitterness creeping in.

She finished by saying she cannot see any reason why a publisher or agent will not take me on, especially with a proven history.

100 rejections later, here I am.




Playing the game... 

I'm getting quite creative in trying to attract the attention of publishers, and so I came up with an idea that just might work.

When my first book came out in 2012, the publisher had me work with a PR company and I ended up writing some columns in newspapers and had stories all over the place. As a result, I got to know one of the head PR people at the company.

Now, for my 2nd book - the one the publisher didn't promote as the imprint it owned was closing - I had no contact with this person, and had forgotten about them completely. But today, I decided to take a chance.

I contacted this person at the PR company directly, instead of going through the publisher, and asked if they remembered me.Fortunately they did, and after I explained that I was taking a chance venturing out on my own (no use saying bad things about a publisher, even if justified, as it's a small world, and unpleasant words ultimately hurt those hurling them) and they were very happy to read my latest work, and happy to see what they can do to help me out.

They are doing this at no cost. These people are pretty busy, so to take the time to read my work is not done on a whim.

So, let's see what happens.

But who knows, by the time they get back to me, things might be flying along here on inkshares just fine.
Billy O’Keefe · Author · edited over 9 years ago
I'm enjoying your story in these comments as much as I'm enjoying the snippets you've shared so far of The Bully Book. I hope you keep these biographical notes handy, as you could probably create a killer book on its own about your travails as a writer in the extremely frustrating world of publishing.

I think you've come to the right place. I hope you stick around — I'll be pre-ordering the first day I can. 

Background about me... and a little advice on how to get attention of an agent or publisher

After 4yrs I published my first book with an imprint that had been bought out with a major publisher. I had over 100 rejections from agents and publishers, but managed to finally get a publisher in a round-about way.

Because I was writing a memoir based on my line of work, I approached the biggest nursing union in the world that has a weekly magazine, and gave them a copy of one of my rejection letters. The rejection letter said the following...

'...no one wants to read about a nurse...no one will buy a book about a nurse...'

Naturally this seriously pissed off the nurses at the union, and they replied with the following...

'...everyone knows a nurse...everyone like nurses...and everyone wants to read about nurses...we're happy to read your work.'

They read it and loved it, and recommended me to a contact in the publishing business.

I now have 2 books published and around 200,000 sales later (majority of them ebook, although was on UK airport shelves and in WHSmith) but the imprint has closed and the overseeing major publisher will not even look at my work without getting an agent.

I can't even get an agent with such a history of sales and 2 books out. In fact, when I had my first contract offer, I approached a dozen agents, and only 1 was interested in taking me on, even with a guaranteed contract. Some even said to me that they had not heard of anyone getting a major publisher without an agent, and could not tell me how they could be of benefit to me.

I also learned that when your imprint closes, and the overseeing publisher takes over, they don't bother with promotion. So they own the rights to my 2nd book, while I get left with a lot less input than my first book.

I tried discussing this with them, and they ignored my email.

So, here I am, trying not to be bitter. But my current project 'the Bully book' is something I truly feel could be  huge. I work with teenagers, and they cannot put it down. 

So I'm a bit nervous about inkshares, not because of anything they've done, but I have very little trust left in any part of the whole publishing business. But what I have found on this site so far is encouraging, and that is genuine people.

So thanks for your kind words so far. I will get round to reading more of the books I have followed, but will take bit of time is all.
Joshua Griffith · Author · added over 9 years ago
dude seriously, you're good writer. don't those rejection take hold over you. it's their lost that they couldn't keep you because they can't see your talent and true potential. As long as your write from your heart and let those creative juices flow, you WILL put out great stories for all of us to enjoy.. I'm no best-seller as my sales would indicate lol, but that won't stop me from sucking everyone into my twisted stories. Don't second guess yourself, just let it flow and you will see that others will like your writing style. When you write and share it with others, you're naked and exposed but know that all us writers feel this way and we have to take the good and bad criticisms and improve so we can become a greater writer than before. This story will resonate with others and will do well if you give it a chance. Here, you are family and we will let you know anything if you ask. Sorry for being long winded but what can I say, I'm a writer lol 
Jason Pomerance · Author · added over 9 years ago
I think what you're writing is terrific.  Please continue as I look forward to more.

Please check out 'Bob'


I need your opinion because I can no longer tell whether what I write is good, bad, or simply terrible. One day I'll look at some of my work and think I'm a literary genius, and the next day cringe, while wondering where I get the nerve to think I could ever be a writer.
But that's what over 100 rejections from agents and publishers, despite two best sellers and over 200,000 in sales.

Oh dear, I think I'm turning bitter.

Please help.
Joshua Griffith · Author · added over 9 years ago
I find that this little snippet goes right along with the general humor of this story, plus it's what one would expect adolescent guys would act when they're together, talking and boasting.  
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