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I pretty much entirely agree with @Joseph Asphahani Other than having a pretty awesome name(AmIright?), but he pretty much hit the nail on the head. The perfect villain is just as likeable/relate-able as your main characters. The best villains ever are the ones you "Love to Hate."

I won’t elaborate, since Joseph pretty much said everything I would say on the matter, but I’ll provide some examples. 

If you ever watched the Starz series of Spartacus(it’s my favorite show ever), the blood, sex and violence is a bit over the top but if you dig deeper it has one of the greatest written scripts of all time. The dialogue used on the show is in a Shakespearean style which helps but what makes it so good is the villains are just as likeable as the heroes. You can see where Spartacus, Crixus and Gannicus are coming from but you can also see where Batiatus, Marcus Crassus and Caesar are coming from too.

^That’s a pretty obscure example, I know. But let’s do a more known one.

Batman vs. The Joker. I know, I know... There’s so many stories about the two but the best ones happen to be the ones where The Joker points out the fact that Batman is literally one bad day away(Sorry, just watched "The Killing Joke.") from becoming The Joker. Batman is the hero, but The Joker exists SOLELY to mess with Batman to the point that Batman becomes just as messed up and deranged as him. In most stories it doesn’t work, but they exist to move each other in their "destined"/written path.  Batman needs The Joker and The Joker needs Batman. The plot needs both. The writer needs both. Ultimately, the reader needs both.

The best Hero/Villain relationships involve them driving each other in the direction they need to take.
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    @Jordan M Tetley I saw that your book is up for preorders, good luck and I’m not sure if you still need help but here’s some things I use for my villains.

     Think of something that scares you and make that character the embodiment of that fear

    Think of what your protagonist fears and think of that

    Not all villains are characters. Think of a conflict, not every story has a particular villain, but all the ones I know of have a conflict. Possibly a force of nature, bad situation,  basically a barrier between them and their goals.

    If your villain is a character make them multi-dimensional. Most people sincerely believe what they are doing is the right thing to do. They likely view your protagonist as their villain, and villains aren’t usually only up to being villainous (a good villain can be anything depending on the story. Judging by yours think of using death itself as a villain)

    I hope this helps anyone that reads this, let me know if I missed anything because a big part of my stories are the villains. 

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      If you want to design a good villain, think in more simple terms. First of all, there’s no "hero" to your story. There’s only the Protagonist. The morality of his actions are NOT important whatsoever. (More on this later.) All that matters is what he/she WANTS to accomplish. Also, establish what he/she NEEDS (but is completely unaware of). The WANT is external - it’s a thing they can hold, or a finish line they can cross. The NEED is internal - it’s a realization they have to make, a change they must undergo. The ENTIRE story revolves around them starting down the road toward their WANT, but by the end they must realize the NEED - and the climax is either them transforming or failing. So that’s protagonist in a nutshell. From there, to answer your concern more directly, you’re going to need an ANTAGONIST. Don’t say ’villain’ because then that gets into the morality stuff that you absolutely must avoid. (...sounds harsh, I know ’villain’ is the common term, I use it myself, but you know what I’m getting at...)

      The antagonist wants something in direct opposition to the protagonist. That’s all it is. Every plot movement the prot. takes forward - every choice he/she makes - must be met with CONFLICT. The hidden or direct hand of the Ant. must be present - either he/she shows up to fight, or his/her lieutenants are sent on his/her behalf. Or he/sh has laid a trap, etc. etc.  @A. White is right - the antagonist does NOT have to be an actual character. It can be a force of nature, or supernatural, or even just the voice in the prot.’s own head (good luck with that one, but it’s doable). Again, this is defined by the conflict that the story needs. (Your good ol’ man vs. man, self, nature, yada yada yada.)

      Now... An explanation about why morality doesn’t matter: There’s no such thing as good vs. evil.  - -  Good vs. evil is boring.  - -  The hero/protagonist may think that what he’s doing is good. The thinking/belief/conviction part of it is all that matters. Now, Likewise, the villain/antagonist must believe that what they’re doing is good too. ...now you’re moving in the right direction.

      So avoid labeling your conflict as good vs. evil. A step in a more correct direction after that is to think in terms of right vs. wrong.  - -  But even that isn’t the correct way to go. It’s better than good vs. evil, but right vs. wrong is also going to end up being something terrible.

      ...so what you ultimately want is Right Vs. Right. Let me explain...

      The ’villain’ (ah, let’s just call him that!)... The villain views himself as the hero of his own story. What he’s doing is RIGHT. If you want a really powerful, resonant villain, then you need to make sure that his ideals are something that the readers will identify with, maybe not on the surface, but somewhere deep down. No matter how terrible, disgusting, horrific the villain is by his actions and beliefs, somewhere deep down the reader must say ’you know.. I can see where he’s coming from.’ ... ever read Watchmen? Ozymandias - the villain - did what he thought was right. And deep down, I somewhat identify with that. I listened to Tool’s song "Aenima" once too, you know. Sometimes I wish a catastrophe would befall humanity so that maybe, at last, we can all work together and live in peace... ......Holy hell what am I saying?!?!?  ...see? Great villain.

      So in the end, when you’re trying to make a great villain - always remember that it’s a matter of right vs. right.  The villain, just as much as the hero, has to be someone that readers can identify with. Ultimately, the hero comes out on top. (....or does he?)

      Sorry to supply such an elaborate answer, but these are the kinds of things that really set my writer-brain on fire! :D  I love talking about this kind of stuff. I used to teach it, in fact. And I got all this story-structure stuff just boiling over. I would love to discuss further in this thread!
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        Hi Jordan, nice to meet you. All stories do not need a traditional villain. Some readers may view death as a villain. All villains doesn’t need to an obvious villain. It depends on where the story is gong. Subdue villains are not obvious to the readers. But if you believe you need one creating a villain is rather easy, all you need to do is look around at all the bad people you have encountered in life and tweet all those characteristics, attributes to fix your story. There are far more resources and examples to serve for villains than there are heroes or heroines. Perhaps yours need an adversary which isn’t always necessarily a villain in a tradition sense. I hope this helps. :)
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          I at the moment don’t have a specific Villain. I am no sure if I need one, but I want people opinions. So?  https://www.inkshares.com/books/the-bridge-570f6a
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          This is a very different style of writing, it is an intresting idea, that I wish to see progress within this weird, dark but humours style!
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